Steven Schwartz (00:24)
Hello, this is Steve Schwartz with the Concierge Medical Marketing Podcast. It’s my pleasure to have you along on our journey today. I’m so excited to speak with Dr. Roger Moczygemba Roger, did I get that right? Okay, just wanted to make sure. I’m gonna call you Dr. Roger, because I don’t wanna butcher your name. I thank you so much for taking the time to come on our podcast today and to have you share your story about being…

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (00:36)
You got it.

Sounds good.

Steven Schwartz (00:49)
possibly the first DPC in San Antonio and your involvement with Teladoc and so many cool things that you shared with me before we started recording. So why don’t we just jump right in and Dr. Roger, please give us an idea of where you grew up and maybe what led you to become a doctor.

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (01:06)
Great, yeah, I grew up in South Texas. My ancestors settled the first Polish colony in America. So my name is Polish in case you’re wondering, the last name. Then let’s see what you were asking what kind of attracted me to medicine, right? ⁓ Yeah, I always been fascinated by science and the way the body works from early on. And then I also…

Steven Schwartz (01:22)
Exactly.

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (01:33)
you know, got some enjoyment from doing things for people. So over the years and throughout my education, I thought, let me, let me, I kind of gravitated towards medicine because I wanted to get in a career where I could serve, I could continue to learn, do things for people and provide well for my family. So at a high level, that’s what attracted me to medicine.

Steven Schwartz (01:57)
I love it. And you said you had originally started with an idea of focusing on, it veterinary school? And then led to human patients instead.

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (02:03)
Yes.

Yes, that’s true.

Steven Schwartz (02:09)
Very cool. Well, so tell us the journey from, let’s say, medical school and where did it go from, let’s say, medical school that ended up being a DPC doc?

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (02:19)
Okay, good question. That’s a long journey because there’s a lot of years in there. I trained in family practice in the Navy. I worked after that for a doc, then I worked on my own for a little bit, and then I worked for a group. Then I worked on my own a little bit and I launched another innovative idea about the time that the internet was starting where folks could

schedule an appointment with me and I’d see them on time if they paid for their appointment through the internet. That was back when the internet was booming. So that I launched, but it didn’t grow up too well because of some internal problems with my office. But it got me on the radar of another organization that I connected with in San Antonio.

of doctors and through that organization, I met up with the founder of Teladoc, Michael Gorton. And so we connected and he was looking for someone to help develop the physician side of Teladoc. So that was me and a couple of other docs in San Antonio. We formed the Teladoc Physician Association. So I…

was the president of that for the first nine years. And that was a wonderful experience. I learned a lot. And we put a wonderful foundation of telemedicine in place, which didn’t take off really until the pandemic, you know, but then everybody was looking to do telemedicine. And it was extremely gratifying to know that we had laid the foundation for something that

spun up to save lots of lives and take care of people in such a wonderful way during the pandemic.

Steven Schwartz (04:07)
That’s amazing. And just the fact that you were an innovator and a builder, a thought leader and building something that, as you said, helped millions of people during the pandemic. And obviously going forward, there’s entire medical practices that are, 100 % telemedicine. There’s different business spinoffs. There’s so many things that that foundation that you built with your team there helped laid and truly have helped so many people.

And by the way, thank you for your service to our country in the US Navy. Thank you.

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (04:38)
Thank you. Yes.

Steven Schwartz (04:39)
So

that’s really awesome. how did you end up at DPC? What led you to learn about it? Where did you first hear about it? And what got you excited about it?

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (04:49)
I was actually working at an urgent care clinic in Utah when I came across the idea. That urgent care clinic was a hybrid DPC, but I thought, wow, this is really cool. Employers are paying directly for the medical care. And it was such wonderful, high-touch, high-quality care that we were providing to those folks. And it was so refreshing to me.

wonderful to experience that. And then after that, I ended up starting my own DPC in San Antonio. I I grew up in medicine in San Antonio. So I thought, you know, I know a lot of people in San Antonio and a lot of employers that I think would like this model. So that’s kind of part of what led me back to San Antonio to start

direct med clinic in San Antonio in 2017.

Steven Schwartz (05:47)
When you started your DPC practice, did you specifically want to target employer groups or mom and pops or both? What were your thoughts there?

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (05:57)
I was thinking about focusing on employers because I see, you seeing that message there? Okay, now it’s I got it. Well, so in my early days of medicine, I learned how to take care of employers because there were direct contracts and agreements with employers, not DPC, but for

Steven Schwartz (06:08)
Yeah, try and get it to go away. Hit the X in the corner there. All right, there we

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (06:25)
for other needs like injury care. So I learned what employers needed. I had relationships with employers and it just made sense for me to talk about this direct care model with employers. So from the beginning, I did want to start with employers.

Steven Schwartz (06:43)
Nice. you know, as far as from a business point of view, it certainly makes good sense to me that if you’re going to spend the time and effort in marketing, if you could market to small to medium sized businesses and when they sign up with you, you can get five, 10, 20, 50, 100 or more patients all at once as opposed to doing the marketing and then getting one person or two or five. Right.

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (07:10)
Yes.

Steven Schwartz (07:11)
So that makes good sense to me in your marketing. What percentage of your current practice patients now are from employer groups versus not part of employer groups?

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (07:23)
Probably more than three quarters are from employers.

Steven Schwartz (07:29)
Excellent. Do you find that it’s just easier for you to run the business when you’re focusing on employer groups?

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (07:36)
I think there’s in some ways it might be easier in some ways it’s not because each employer group is a little bit different and so we try to customize what we do for each employer group so that’s why we try to pay attention to what they need specifically.

Steven Schwartz (07:52)
What kind of needs would you say are the most commonly requested for an employer group?

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (07:58)
Well, there’s how do we handle labs and imaging? How is that cost paid for? Some employers will pay for that. Other employers would not. Larger employers might want to have a TPA involved. Smaller ones do not. A third party administrator. And then with the larger employers, you have to have a knowledgeable advisor to help blend the…

the needs for higher level of care with hospitalization and specialists and that kind of thing.

Steven Schwartz (08:35)
Right. So often when I talk to people about providing marketing for DPC and concierge practices, they still don’t understand the concept and they say, well, they don’t take insurance. I said, well, some do some don’t. So I don’t need insurance. say, well, you still want to have insurance in case something big and bad happens that’s going to land you in the hospital and you need a heart transplant or something awful like cancer. What do you recommend to people as far as how to utilize?

their DPC arrangement to the best benefit, cost and otherwise, while still managing some sort of major medical coverage.

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (09:13)
Great question. So your DPC can cover 80 or 90 % of what you would need, but you do need that higher level of care for the catastrophic things. a indemnity plan, a cost sharing plan, something like that in addition to the DPC is something like what I would recommend.

Steven Schwartz (09:36)
And when you say a cost sharing plan, are you talking about like some of the Christian ministries that have, know, a medi share and those type of arrangements or something not related to a faith?

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (09:47)
Exactly. Well, there’s the Christian health ministries and those kinds of plans. And then there are some that I believe are not related to or that are not faith-based.

Steven Schwartz (09:59)
Right. I, in my past, I used a few of the health sharing ministries, just, I love the discussion that the premiums could be dramatically less, but they would not cover anything that was a preexisting condition, like not at all. And so, you know, there was one particular medical issue and they said, you know, like I had back surgery 15 years ago for a herniated disc in my low back, very common. People have this all the time.

But they said, okay, well, anything that goes wrong with your back or your spine, we’re not covering it. So I said, well, if I need another surgery one day for another herniated disc or something, nope, not covering it. Like this is probably not going to work for me. And I think for younger people and people with no preexisting conditions, it makes really good sense. But when you start to get a little older and, or having medical issues, it becomes less, less advantageous. Would you agree?

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (10:49)
Agree.

Steven Schwartz (10:50)
I would love to work with somebody and try to craft a true insurance plan that covers the major problems and issues that may come up and then save all of the routine care, the annual physicals, issues with high blood pressure or skin tags that typically a dermatologist would look at and then freeze off you or whatever and send to a pathology lab. Just that the DPC handles like

Like you said, 80 or 90 % of that stuff and literally just have an insurance coverage for the truly major crisis things that are six figures or more if you end up in a hospital.

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (11:28)
Exactly. Actually, a couple of years ago, I testified at the state capitol in Austin to a special committee on health care that we don’t need insurance for primary care, period. I told them, I told them, you know, we all have insurance for our cars, but we don’t use it to change the oil or change the wiper blades, right? So insurance was designed as a hedge against the kind of problems that would break the bank.

Steven Schwartz (11:41)
I would agree.

Right. If you drive your car into somebody’s house or multiple car pileup or something, you know, worse, you know, that’s what insurance is to cover those catastrophic situations. But like you said, not changing the oil, not changing the tires, not filling up with gas. It makes perfect sense. Great, great analogy. What did the state of Texas do with your testimony? What came of that?

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (12:20)
I never heard anything back. It’s an ongoing struggle to raise the awareness of what we do, but we’re making progress because we keep growing, we keep representing and showing the good results that we get. It’s just a matter of getting to kind of a tipping point as a way to think of it, know, with the policy makers.

Steven Schwartz (12:48)
I was going to use the word critical

mass, right? You get to a critical mass where it’s like, this is undeniable. This is a movement. This is really happening. And it’s truly a better way to provide primary care to people at less cost with best, better outcomes in many cases. So in fact, I remember reading something recently that there’s something going on on Capitol Hill right now that is bringing up these items in front of our federal.

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (12:51)
Yes,

Steven Schwartz (13:15)
legislators and whatnot. So it’s exciting times to see how this unfolds over the next, let’s say, six, 12, 24 months at least.

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (13:22)
Yes, for sure.

Steven Schwartz (13:23)
So let’s shift our discussion just a little bit. You said when you started your practice, you were focusing on talking to employer groups, people you had personal relationships with. Was that the effort that you did that got you the majority of your patients that you have now? Or was that sort of a start and then you had to do marketing to get more patients?

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (13:44)
That’s a great question. It started with me talking to people that I knew and I made friends with some folks that already had relationships with employers, like with brokers. And so that’s where I started talking to them. And then that’s what got us a few patients coming in the door. And then started…

marketing to try to build up the brand recognition. So that’s how we got started.

Steven Schwartz (14:15)
Nice. And obviously for me coming from the concierge medical marketing agency point of view, what techniques did you, your team and or an agency that you hired, what did you do that you felt brought in the most new patients to your practice as far as the marketing techniques goes?

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (14:36)
Yeah, okay. So we had our website and we tried to keep the content. We were very selective with what the kind of content. in the early days, we felt like we had to do a lot of education to people. Okay. So we were doing that because we would explain it and they’re like, okay, it sounds too good to be true. What’s the catch? So we did a lot of education and then

Steven Schwartz (14:51)
in us.

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (15:00)
We tried to tell a lot of stories through what we were doing. Stories are so impactful. And then we developed our presence on social media and YouTube, LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram. So we’re trying to maintain relevant and up-to-date content with that. And I also had a guy that was going out to networking events and

talking about what we do there. So that’s.

Steven Schwartz (15:28)
Nice. So I’m hearing

a good combination of what we call the omnipresent approach. The idea is want to find you and your practice everywhere. So website, social media, educational content, video, plus boots on the ground, humans going to local chamber of commerce and ribbon cuttings and networking events and things like that.

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (15:50)
Mm-hmm, exactly.

Steven Schwartz (15:52)
Great, great. And so looking at your practice now, can you tell us the number of practitioners you have, the structure of your business and your patient size?

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (16:02)
Yeah, we’ve got two wonderful docs working for us and a nurse practitioner. That’s in addition to myself. We have two of our own brick and mortar locations and we have an on-site clinic with a large employer. I was things are going going well there. Now we’re not none of us docs have a full panel. So we’re positioned to

grow. We’re still growing.

Steven Schwartz (16:29)
Excellent. Excellent. That’s exciting where you start from one doctor and a dream. And then now you’ve got three MDs and nurse practitioner, two locations plus a satellite on a client and you’re still growing. So that’s awesome. How full do you think you are now as far as percentages? Can you take on another hundred patients, another 500 patients? are you, what would you consider you still need to grow to be full?

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (16:55)
I’d say probably a few hundred patients to be full right now.

Steven Schwartz (17:00)
Excellent. So you

got some room to grow. Once you hit a full panel, what happens next? Do you keep growing and bring on another MD or NP, or you want to just kind of cruise there? What are your thoughts?

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (17:03)
Nothing.

So I think that direct med clinic is blessed to be in a position where I can be kind of a buffer for growth. I can take on a lot of patients myself, but then if we have a great big batch of patients coming on board with an employer, I’m in a position to help that new doctor.

with those patients to start his panel growing. That’s kind of the way we’ve been blessed to be able to grow so far.

Steven Schwartz (17:41)
Nice. You got so many good things happening for you. If somebody is in med school or residency or maybe working at a hospital or a clinic for somebody and they’ve recently heard about DPC and they’re thinking, hmm, should I do it? Should I take this leap? Should I just keep up with the status quo? What advice would you give to somebody considering starting a DPC practice?

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (18:05)
That’s a great question. And I’m glad you mentioned someone in training looking at what they’re going to do. They’re not getting very much exposure to this model in their traditional medical training. so a lot of times a person has a certain idea of what being a doctor is like. And when they get into the training, they’re like, Hey, wait, this is not what I thought it was going to be.

Well, if they take a look at direct primary care and if they want to be a primary care doc, they need definitely to look at direct primary care and shadow a DPC doc or get around the community a little bit through some meetings or whatnot and experience that because it is, I mean, I wish I could have found it at the beginning of my career. It’s such a refreshing and gratifying way to practice medicine.

because we get to spend time with our patients. We get to know them and it’s just a wonderful way to practice medicine. So get around it. Look at the Free Market Medical Association. They’re focused on exposing students. Go to the DPC Summit. See if you can find a DPC doc in your area.

and take a good look at it if you’re a medical student or a resident.

Steven Schwartz (19:24)
If somebody wants to speak with you about your experience and chat with you for a few minutes, is that something you’re able and willing to do if they’re considering going to start a DPC?

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (19:36)
Absolutely. Sure.

Steven Schwartz (19:38)
OK,

very cool. How would people reach out to you? LinkedIn or some other way?

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (19:42)
LinkedIn, our website is DirectMedClinic.com. They can find us on the internet. I could give you my phone number. It’s 210-264-5500. That’s my cell phone number. Be happy to chat with anybody and share.

Steven Schwartz (19:52)
Sure, if you want to rattle it off, that’s fine.

That’s very, very kind and thoughtful of you and really generous of you sharing your personal cell phone with the world here. My podcast goes out across the planet. So it’s pretty cool that you’re willing to do that for folks. One thing I’ve noticed in the DPC community is that people are so giving of their time, their knowledge, their experience. And, you know, I don’t hear people talking about competition. hear people talking about working together and collaboration and

Here’s suggestions on how you can grow faster, grow better. What’s the best EMR that you’ve used and you like? It’s so wonderful to have that openness and caring within the community to help each other grow and truly make healthcare better for Americans and eventually the planet. I really believe that.

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (20:52)
Yeah, I told the docs that have come to work for DirectMed Clinic that it’s my goal to create an environment that you’ll never want to leave, know, where like you’ll have a good time to practice medicine the way you want with your patients and then also income that you want and then also balance that with lifestyle. So that’s the goal. so that’s…

That’s what we can do when we don’t have to worry about the third party insurance, right?

Steven Schwartz (21:25)
Yeah, I came across so many different practitioners, MDs and MPs and folks who literally just were so burned out working under the traditional method of insurance based medicine that they said, literally, I don’t want to do this anymore. This is not what I signed up for. And I’m exhausted. And this is miserable. Go find a job doing something totally different or start a different business or whatever.

And the more people I talk to who are providers in the membership medicine space, love it. And really many don’t have any plans for retiring that they’ve shared with me. mean, eventually sure people are going to retire and say enough and, but they enjoy what they do. They love going to work and it’s, it’s such a huge improvement that, it provides a satisfying life. And I think you’ve really just hit the nail on the head for the culture that you are growing and developing in your practice. So.

That’s way to go.

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (22:20)
You know, one of the things that attracts doctors to DPC is that they’re able to practice medicine the way they want. And if they find some things that are helpful for a person, but it’s not reimbursed by insurance, they’re still able to provide that for that patient of theirs. Whereas the docs that are in the traditional model,

they don’t have really the freedom to do that. So that’s one of the things that’s really refreshing to docs and the DPC model.

Steven Schwartz (22:52)
Yeah. And one other thing you just touched on is that you have the opportunity to specialize in some area within primary care. there’s a practitioner who I interviewed yesterday for the podcast whose practice is, you know, obviously general primary care, but she has a focus on chronic Lyme disease and helping the patients navigate Lyme.

And it was an amazing story that she told. And I can’t wait to publish that podcast for everyone to hear that her story, but the ability that she knows extra about that topic, feel strongly about that topic and provides specific extra care, patience and understanding for that topic. And under traditional practice, I doubt she would have been able to have the leeway to do that. Would you agree?

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (23:44)
Exactly, exactly right.

Steven Schwartz (23:47)
No, this sounds good. Well, thank you for taking the time to speak with me, Dr. Roger. This has been great. One final thing I want to talk about is that in 2025, at least in marketing circles, the buzz is AI. Everyone’s talking about AI, how to use AI to do this, how to use AI to do that. My company has created a brand new AI digital marketing assistant.

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (23:53)
you

Steven Schwartz (24:11)
I call her Maddy, M-A-D-D-Y, and that’s for marketing assistant. But with Maddy, you can train her on your practice, your tone of your business’s voice, how you speak, the services you offer, the marketing collateral that you have. Literally, you onboard your practice into it. And then from there, Maddy gives you email drip sequences and posts for Instagram and Facebook.

blog post topics and all kinds of cool stuff. All that being said, are you doing anything right now to utilize AI in your medical practice?

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (24:48)
Yes, we use, on the clinician side, we use some AI to help us when we’re looking up studies and that kind of thing. Now, yes. No, I was just gonna say, AI is becoming a thing everywhere. So we need to be aware of it and learn how to use it. So kudos to you for that, providing that.

Steven Schwartz (24:59)
That sounds great. Go ahead.

Yes.

Thank you. I appreciate that. Over the last few weeks, I’ve created obviously Matty. In fact, I wrote a book that is now uploaded to Amazon and people can purchase the book there, a hard copy or download it. And it walks you through how to utilize Matty and more importantly than that, teaches you about digital marketing along the way. So it’s a very cool book.

But beyond that, I’ve created a SWOT analysis tool, an AI SWOT analysis for a concierge or DPC practice to use. And you, again, train it about your practice, and then it will give you the strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, and threats for your specific situation. I even created a different AI tool, which is the combination of a 10-plus year concierge slash DPC practitioner

merged with a Columbia MBA. So it’s like a medically focused business consultant to help practitioners with their business questions. And so this is the direction that I’m going is basically building a toolkit of hyper focused niche specific AI tools, bots, robots, whatever you want to call them. I don’t really care. But the idea is that these tools can help practitioners

with the issues and situations that they’re facing in their practices to help them streamline, fix, improve, save time, save money. And I think it’s really exciting to be on the cusp of this right now to help this niche grow and thrive with these AI tools. What are your thoughts about all that?

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (26:57)
Steven that’s wonderful. I’m so glad you’re doing that, especially for us DPC docs and concierge docs. That’s wonderful.

Steven Schwartz (27:06)
Thank you. I appreciate the kind words. It’s exciting for me. I love being in the creative mode of business. And the more I think of it, the more ideas I get to say, wow, we really need to have something that does such and such. Well, how would we build that? And we start working out that plan. So there’s so many cool things that can be done. And as we build this for this specific niche,

My thoughts are to work with other people on my team to develop similar tools for other medical industries. In other words, doing the same thing for dermatologists or OBGYNs or whoever, a specialty. But the idea is that we can prove that this model helps with this DPC AI toolkit and then expand upon that so that these tools are made for

other industries, other spaces in medicine, and then obviously beyond medicine to, you know, roofing companies or lawn and landscape businesses or whatever. But the fact that there’s so much cool things that can be done with AI, and I truly believe that right now we’re just literally scratching the scratch of the surface. It’s exciting times to be in the space.

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (28:20)
That sounds awesome, but I would say you should stay focused on DPC and Concierge.

Steven Schwartz (28:27)
Keep

my keep my mental focus in that space for you, right?

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (28:30)
Yeah, like that’s a little selfish ask for you.

Steven Schwartz (28:34)
That’s fine

with me. And if that’s all I do, it would be time and effort very, very well spent. I mean, when it comes down to it, we are humans, we are biological creatures, we are spirit filled. And if our physical core, our coil is our, like a professor said back in college, if our coil is starting to fail, there’s not a whole lot that we can offer or add. Right? So we need to have

are ourselves in a physical healthy position, a mentally and emotionally healthy position and a spiritually healthy position. I’m a Christian, not afraid to say it. And I believe that as we get these areas in our life right, we can have a truly fulfilled, wonderful life, even though the challenges of life may come because we

know 100 % that challenges will come, but we’re able to better solve those issues and deal with those issues when health, emotion and spiritual all work together. And from everybody I’ve talked to in the DPC and concierge space, we’re doing something that’s really helping people. And the more people that learn about it, the more people sign up and get to enjoy the benefits of membership medicine for themselves. And I’m, I’m thrilled to partner with you in this endeavor.

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (29:52)
Yes, very, very well said. Another way I’ve heard it said is, we can’t help anybody else if our plate’s empty, right?

Steven Schwartz (30:00)
Absolutely.

Yep. You can’t fill up anybody else’s cup if your buckets dry as well, right? So good. Well, I just want to say one final thing is that through my agency, Concierge Medical Marketing, we help practices with the things they need to succeed in their businesses. And whether that’s a DPC practice or a concierge practice, our focus as an agency is membership medicine, right? And so we’ve

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (30:06)
Right.

Steven Schwartz (30:28)
We’ve worked up three different programs that we can offer that help practitioners. The first is transition for practices that are in an insurance-based situation and they want to transition their, you know, go from three or 5,000 patients down to three to 500 patients in their membership practice. We can help with that. Number two is growth. And that’s where we can work with a practice to help with their digital marketing, their website, their outreach and whatnot.

so that the right patients at this point leads, find the practice and come into the funnel and go through the process to become patients. Third and final, we offer nurture. And the idea there is for a practice that’s already full, maybe they even have a waiting list and they don’t need to market to get new patients, they’re full. So you still wanna stay in touch with your patients with email, with text messages, with occasional ads that they’ll see on the internet.

Even maybe quarterly, you know, get together, wine and cheese parties and some music and hang out with your doctor and the team and just meet people and have a community. So these are the three programs that we offer. I wrote a book called The Definitive Guide to Winning with Digital Marketing for Concierge Medical Practices. And that book is available totally for free from our website. The address is conciergemd.marketing. Scroll down the page to the space where you see a picture of the cover of the book.

in your email address and hit the submit button and our system will send you a copy of that book totally free. Please take it with my compliments. Read the book. If you have any questions, please reach out to me. It would be my pleasure to speak with you and try to help in any way that I can. Dr. Roger, this has been such a pleasure getting to know you better today and sharing your story. Do you have any final thoughts or comments that you want to share with our listeners before we sign off for today?

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (32:14)
just thank you Steven for inviting me to be on the podcast and I’d be happy to chat also with anybody that wanted to learn a little bit more about my story, what we do, but thank you for inviting me.

Steven Schwartz (32:27)
Truly, really my pleasure. Dr. Roger from Direct Med Clinic, I thank you for your time. God bless. Keep up the great work that you do. Thank you for being such an awesome guy and sharing your story today and sharing your willingness to help other folks who are considering DPC. And folks, thank you for being listening to the Concierge Medical Marketing Podcast. Please like, subscribe, follow, share, and all that cool stuff that we do so that we can get this message out to more people.

successfully and really truly elevate medical care for everybody. Thanks so much, everyone. See you soon. We’ll see you on our next episode.

Roger Moczygemba MD, MHA (32:58)
Okay.